{"id":172,"date":"2011-09-07T15:05:06","date_gmt":"2011-09-07T15:05:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/anthonypioppi.com\/?p=172"},"modified":"2011-09-07T15:05:06","modified_gmt":"2011-09-07T15:05:06","slug":"defining-small-greens-and-deep-bunkers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/golf\/172\/defining-small-greens-and-deep-bunkers","title":{"rendered":"Defining &#8220;Small&#8221; Greens and &#8220;Deep&#8221; Bunkers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, New York-based golf writer Ann Ligouri wrote a review of the   two golf courses at The Breakers in Palm Beach, Florida for the New York   CBS television affiliate. She used adjectives that are common among writers and broadcasters but in reality have absolutely no meaning. She described  the  greens of the The Ocean Course as &#8220;small&#8221; and the bunkers of the   Breakers Rees Jones  Course as quite &#8220;deep.&#8221; She gave no concrete   numbers as to what &#8220;small&#8221; or &#8220;deep&#8221; entail.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-AlfDmjAEMCs\/TfpK9kGwTAI\/AAAAAAAAAdY\/32ZQxikeVac\/s1600\/foxhcapel_17f.JPG\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"border: 0pt none\" src=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-AlfDmjAEMCs\/TfpK9kGwTAI\/AAAAAAAAAdY\/32ZQxikeVac\/s400\/foxhcapel_17f.JPG\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"267\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nAccording   to the Breakers web site, the Ocean Course was designed in 1896 by  Alex  Findlay (incorrectly spelled as Findley on the site) and renovated  by  Brian Silva in 2000. I&#8217;m assuming Rees Jones designed the Rees  Jones  course but I didn&#8217;t check.<\/p>\n<p>I wondered that when it comes  to the  sizes of greens and the depth of bunkers, if words such as  small,  average, large and deep do have meaning to golf course  architects and  those who write about golf course architecture, so I  unscientifically  polled a group of 14.<\/p>\n<p>I asked these question:  what is the size of  a small green; what is the size of a medium green;  what is the size of a  large green; what is the depth of a deep bunker;  do you consider a deep  bunker one that is well below the surface of a  green (Seth Raynor,  etc.) or one that you must walk down into, such as a  pot bunker?<\/p>\n<p>Here are the results<\/p>\n<p>Small green: This ranges  from fewer than 3,500-square feet to fewer than  5,500-square feet. The  most common answer (6)  was fewer than  4,000-square feet.<\/p>\n<p>Medium  green: The size varied from  4,000-square feet to 7,000-square feet.  Five answered 6,500-square feet  and four answered 6,000-square feet.<\/p>\n<p>Large  green: The smallest  answer to this question was 5,000-square feet, the  largest 7,500-square  feet. The most common answer was  6,500 square  feet according to five  people who replied<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-NUrmXegQy_s\/TfpTMty4e9I\/AAAAAAAAAdg\/IgstykhhE2k\/s1600\/Fenwick%2B4th.tiff\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" style=\"border: 0pt none\" src=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-NUrmXegQy_s\/TfpTMty4e9I\/AAAAAAAAAdg\/IgstykhhE2k\/s400\/Fenwick%2B4th.tiff\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"88\" height=\"400\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nOne   architect&#8217;s reply to the green size query was, in part, &#8220;There are a   lot of &#8216;conditions&#8217;, or &#8216;depends&#8217; with the answers to these questions.   As for greens, what is small depends on the slope in the green (what is   pinnable), what club you&#8217;re hitting to the green, how firm the greens  and  approaches might play (how small will the green &#8216;play&#8217;). They can  be too  small for maintenance or playability or reasonable strategy. In  the  interest of good design, it is really not purposeful to assign  numerical  values to what is big or small.  It depends &#8211; that should be  the  answer.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One other architect said the size of a green has  much  to do with surrounding land. If, for instance, a green is built at  the  level of the fairway, and both areas are maintained firm, then the  size  of the actual putting surface is almost irrelevant.<\/p>\n<p>In an   interesting side note, he said he is amazed at how often those who have   supposed intimate knowledge of a golf course have incorrect  perceptions  of green sizes. As an example, he recounted how he was  brought in to  expand a green that the superintendent said was  2,500-square feet. When  it was measured, it was nearly double that  size.<\/p>\n<p>Depth of a deep  bunker:  The most common answer was six  feet by four repliers. Two  answered deep enough so the player cannot  see out of them. An  interesting perspective since that means a deep  bunker to Dirk Nowitzky  is a little different than for Justin  Timberlake.<\/p>\n<p>One reply was four feet for a fairway bunker and six feet for greenside.<\/p>\n<p>It was nearly unanimous that Raynor&#8217;s bunkers are considered deep.<\/p>\n<p>As   one respondent put it, though, there are many ways to determine a deep   bunker. It might be a deep if: 1.  You need stairs to get in and out  of it,  2.  You can&#8217;t see the flag from the bottom, 3.  You can&#8217;t play  at the  flag from the bottom even if you could see it.<\/p>\n<p>To put Ligouri&#8217;s original article into perspective, the greens at the Ocean Course average at least 5,000-square feet, which is medium size in the minds of all but one who responded<\/p>\n<p>While   Jones may have designed a few bunkers with a depth of five feet, there   are no six-foot deep bunkers at the Rees Jones Course. However, I&#8217;m  not  sure of Ligouri&#8217;s height, so they might all be deep to her.<\/p>\n<p>(Photo 1: 17th green Fox Chapel Golf Club, Pittsburgh, Penn.)<br \/>\n(Photos 2: 4th hole Fenwick Golf Course, Old Saybrook, Conn., 150 yards, green approximately 2,200 square feet.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, New York-based golf writer Ann Ligouri wrote a review of the two golf courses at The Breakers in Palm&#8230;  <a class=\"excerpt-read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/golf\/172\/defining-small-greens-and-deep-bunkers\" title=\"ReadDefining &#8220;Small&#8221; Greens and &#8220;Deep&#8221; Bunkers\">Read more &raquo;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":88,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6570,9,17],"tags":[123,611,113618,495],"class_list":["post-172","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-conn-golf-assoc","category-golf","category-courses-and-travel","tag-rees-jones","tag-brian-silva","tag-ann-ligouri","tag-the-breakers"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/172","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/88"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=172"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/172\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":188,"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/172\/revisions\/188"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=172"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=172"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/theaposition.com\/anthonypioppi\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=172"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}